Christian/Muslim ThreadsIs Christian Faith in Vain?Hi TSJ, However, Daniel didnt give prophecy that his sign would be the sign of Jonah. Please refute my argument, and prove that Jesus lived the prophecy, of being as Jonah was. For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Tell me that Jesus did live this prophecy or not, and not what was the purpose of his trip. Prove it. Repeating things does not prove them, you have to refute 17 points to prove this. Did I ever give any number???? How exactly does it refute my argument?????? Yes he stopped them in time, does this make my argument any weak??? Moreover as you say the soldier was the same soldier, all the more reason for him to keep Jesus (pbuh) alive. Thanks for adding this point. However, how did he know that he was dead? Nobody in the whole world declares anybody dead by looking at it. Ofcourse unless he wants that person do be declared dead for some reason, as in the case of Jesus (pbuh) the reason would be to save his life. Let us discuss just Jews and leave the Egyptians and rest of the etc. you added outside the sphere. Jews never ever put the people in tomb as Jesus was put, point to note is that he was not even buried in the tomb, his body was just wrapped and kept. This was clear violation of the Torah in case Jesus was dead. Deut. 21:23 his body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day. Gen 3:19 for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return The Mishnah the Jewish oral law, considers the burning of a corpse to be an idolatrous practice (Av. Zar. 1:3). The Talmud (Sanh. 46b) deduces that burial is a positive command, and, together with such as Maimonides (Sefer La-Mitzvot 231, 536), it considers that cremation is a "denial of the belief in bodily resurrection and an affront to the dignity of the human body". Mary was a Jew, if she would do that it would be a clear violation of Torah. Deut 21:23 and Gen 3:19. No, as said earlier, Muslims wont do that. Meaning of Anoint according to Merriam Websters: 1 : to smear or rub with oil or an oily substance 2 : to apply oil to as a sacred rite especially for consecration I believe you go to movies, do you have problems recognising Tom Hanks as a guy who is an astraunaut, as a soldier, as a conman, etc. I dont have. If I your friend works in Army and he comes to you dressed, would you not be able to recognise him? The only time people can not recognise people is when they are dressed in disguised and not by merely wearing somebody else's clothes. Again, you are missing the point, the point is that where did she wanted to take the body of a dead man??? For starters we dont put our dead in tombs, wrapped in linen. We bury them and thats it. So you accept that he was not killed, than probably we are coming to some sort of understanding, because even Quran says, "netiher did they kill him nor did they crucify him." Does not disprove my argument. Please read the whole post to know where I got this from. This comes as a deduction from my argument. By the way where do you get from that he was resurrected, he never said that, nor did anyone else who saw him. they all said that he was alive. Even Lazarus rose from dead. Everyday somebody declared dead suddenly lives up, if you dont believe me ask a doctor. No big deal if Jesus did that. In 1850s in India lived a kind of saint called Shirdi Sai Baba, he was declared dead and people were paying homage to him hen he came back to life after three days, after his heart had stopped beating and his lungs had stopped breathing. This thing is quite common, infact in some European countries, the law is that a person can not be declared dead for 6 hours after his pulse has stopped. People come back to life after death, no big deal. Again you are repeating things. You need to bring out the proofs so that I can present counter arugment. This to me does not reflect on my argument. Explain it. I hope it does not mean that it is necessary for Jesus to be resurrected after his death on cross. Hi Mister Emu, Could you tell me where you are getting this from. Because this goes against all Religious books I have read. And these are the ones I have read, Quran, Bible, Gita & Vedas. Collectively the adherents of these religions are 4billion people. So get the quotations. Please prove it through quotes from scriptures and not your beliefs. Just like Lazarus, Shirdi Sai baba, and hundreds of others who live after their death. Bye for now... Ali |
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