Christian/Muslim ThreadsHow do Muslims view the war in Iraq?Peace Believer, It certainly exists, yes. But this “moral corrosion” is what the west stands for. This is what is being imported into Muslim countries. What about those who are down with God like Beyonce Knowles, who at the same times is half-naked. Or rappers like 50 cent, who is obscene in his lyrics, yet he too thinks of himself as a good Christian. These are the type of people who are the role models for young Christians of today. “I would love to thank God for the sl*t I’ve become”. :roll: Why not if they are corrupting the morality of society? What are laws for? True, but once your evil actions begin to affect others, and then the state should step in. Oh please. Your interests lie in the Muslim world. You need to make allies with us. Don’t point the finger at others. Whatever filth lies in Europe is also in America. And fortunately for us, we will have our glory back. Of course it will not. The Byzantine Empire was fighting off the Persians (who eventually did conqueror the eastern provinces, but later re-conquered by the emperor Heraclius), the slavs and the Bulgars. We were not even in the picture. The Muslims were victorious over the Empire in the 7th century. Prophet Muhammad was alive in the 7th century. So where is that 1000 years that you referred to? 8) Once again I’d like a source for that. Yet Islam ruled over both Spain and Greece for hundreds of years. You are full of it. Words! That’s all I see. I would like to see your proof for that. Show me where in Islam we do not tolerate the religion of others. Neither did the later generations of Moors who lived in Spain. Tell me then why they had to leave, and you don’t? Spain was their home for 690 years. Double standards! They didn’t unkindly conqueror. Christians did that. We just conquered. Do the inquisitions ring a bell Believer? Whose side God is on? So how is that a forced conversion??? Help me out here. Yonks doesn’t equate to years. Just a side note. This is how the world has been and will be. Nations conqueror each other all the time. Don’t frown upon the Islamic empire, when Christians have been doing it before us, and continued after us. Why when we can clear up their confusion and bring them back. Confusion and misunderstandings are the reason Muslims begin to doubt their religion. Maybe if you’re religion had the answers, then so many people wouldn’t be leaving Christianity. How can a Muslim not be exposed to Christianity when the state allows for Muslims and Christians to be neighbours. If we didn’t want Muslim citizens being exposed, we would have the state divided. Muslims on one side and everyone else on the other. Missionaries are outlawed (I have explained myself in “If Islam ruled America”), but not Christian literature. And how can Christians claim that Muslims are going to hell, when we are only having a relationship with God? You’re reasoning being is that Islam is not the right religion correct? Well, we believe Islam is the correct religion and to leave it is making treason against God. I mean you’re argument comes down to choice. That a Muslim who chooses to leave Islam shouldn’t be punished because they are only exercising their right to have a choice right? Ok well let’s go with that logic of yours. I, as a Muslim, should not be damned to hell because I refuse to believe in the divinity of Jesus because I too I’m exercising my right to choice. I’m sorry, but the Old Testament is part of the Bible. I wasn’t aware that you rejected it? You don’t believe in what is written in your holy book? It’s like if the Prophet tolerated the live burials of girls in Arabia and a Muslim saying that “that was the ancient world”. There is no difference. If the prophet tolerated it, he tolerated. This ruling applies to your Bible as well. So if you don’t live by the words of Paul for example, why is his writing in the Bible? This is what Madeleine wrote in another thread: In Christianity, a woman is required to submit to her husband, but he is required to love her dearly. One could argue that if a woman is loved properly then she will usually submit to her husband automatically. Ephesians 5: 22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. 24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so [let] the wives [be] to their own husbands in every thing. 25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; As we can see here, the husband should be willing to die for his wife. But unfortunately there are men out there who concentrate much more on verse 22 and not enough on verse 25. http://www.jesus-christ-forums.com/home/viewtopic ... sc&start=0 This coming from a female Christian. Who should I believe? In the west, it is common practice for a married man to have a mistress on the side while being married. And there is no law against it. So the west’s claim that it is strictly monogamous is false. There is also the fact that woman out number men in most parts of the world (exception China and India due to wide-spread infanticide on a national scale.) The statistics are: Russia: 46.1% male to 53.9% female; UK: 48.6% male to 51.5% female; USA: 48.8% male to 51.2% female; Brazil: 49.7% male to 50.27% female (The New Encyclopedia Britannica, vol. 17, pp. 34, 270, 244) In America, out of the 282million, there are 144 million women and 138 million men (US census bureau, current population survey, March 2002). 6 million women more than men! Now by you believing that for every 1 woman there should be one man, what then happens to the 6 million women who have no men available? But if only all those 138 million men were interested in woman! Alas, America has a rising gay population. More women will now be out in the cold. Not forgetting also the number of men serving time, or those who are at war, or the fact that women simply outlive men. What to do? What to do? What are your solution then Believer? What will happen to the surplus of women in America? Should they all turn lesbian? Get in line and pray that some of these men get divorced? Ship them of to China and India? Please enlighten me. What is the solution? Polygamy serves a purpose. And in some cases it is necessary. Islam, a woman has a choice in marrying a married man. They are not taken by a leash. It is their choice. Islam also gives the Muslim woman the right to deny her husband to marry along with her. This is done in the marriage contract. Religion teaches mankind to submit to the will of God. Democracy teaches that one should submit to their desires. This is why we are against it. Now drop it. The Islamic empire finally fell not because of the inability of our religion to run a state efficiently, but ideals that crept into the minds of the people that were un-Islamic. This is well seen in the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. Arab nationalism was the cause of our fall. They saw the Turks as Turks instead of Muslims, and wanted to be ruled by other Arabs. Islam completely rejects nationalism. They went against Islam, and hence our downfall proceeded. Peace and Blessings be to the Believers |
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