Quran and Bible debateKoran confirms Jesus Crucifixion...As to crucifixion, yes The subject was about death by crucifixion not death in general. Then your going to be eluded alot more I knew you were, I was thinking you may have forgotten about it. The whole point to the verses is that they were applying rational from their knowledge of the Messiah from their Tanakh, obviously from those mockeries they knew the Messiah could not have been put to death in such a humiliating way. the Arguement is based on what the Torah says. This was the final confirmation if he was a messiah and prophet of G-D o not. Thank you. Then my arguement was not just solely based on his enemies but but also those who believes he was the Messiah rejected him being crucified cause such a death wish could not have befalling the Messiah. They were originally Jews correct. But even the Jews who believed in him as the Messiah became divided among them selves about him. Umm, ehm please read your gospel : Now if I quoted that out of context it would sond like the Jews we acknowledging him as the Messiah but in the context it clearifies it was a mockery right ? Now what does the Quran say about this particular statement as well in its context that you missed:
Of course your above Quranic quote is nothing but mOnKeY mOnKeY do. A person as your self with such disposition of thaught and excercize of logic which you have done extremely well in, I am ashamed that you never went back to double confirm these quotes. This comes from ones lack of reading. In the same Surah couple verses before the same identicle words are used for Yahya with the difference in the pronouns To bring that verse up is irrelevant. It has the same foundamental meaning with Yahya You thought expressions convey that you have not read the Talmud before, so that why i said what I said, and then to confirm I trust your word as being true on this if you ever read the Talmud before. It was illogical to me for you to make such a statement being aware or having knowledge of what the Talmud says about him and his mother. Yes I am aware and have read what they said. Do you wanna QUIZ me on this? I would be more than glad to pass the exame . Anyhow yes. But here is the thing. When the Jews wrote about him and his mother they called them by humuliating names. They striped him and his mother from their honorable titles. Yes I would agree some writers used his real name "Yashu" which is an honorable name, and some writers refused to call him by such name but substituted it with derogatory titles for him and his mother which of course would be allien to SECULAR scholars. Now I would agree some places are VAGUE as to if the writers were refering to Yashu or not. I follow the orthadoxy of the Quran which preaches the unity of the muslim ummah. This titling among some muslims to distinguish themselves from another group of muslims is called sectarianism which is forbidin in Islam. Most of those born into muslim families adopt this formality. It is the same characterists found in Judaism and Christianity in which they mimic. I study all the various islamic schools of thought. I do not favor one above the other, other than the one that is closest to the truth. Of course in order to do this you have to go back and study what the scholars studied to determin if their hikmah wa ilm is correct or not in its application of the religion. They were not infallible but are subject to error like my self. But of coourse you have some groups who believe they were infallable and were sinless. Ok then I would like to apologize first of all, when you brought Shia into this that became an insault to me just if you would have brought the Ahmadiyyah beliefs in to this as well. It just seemed to me you were introducing another HERETICAL sect belief as a general belief in islam about Paul. ops: Again, then I apologize if I was wrong. What is common among Christian in criticism against islam, which i should not have been so quick to put you in that group, they study islam from a critic and bias point of view which is propagated using various schools of thought that do not agree with each other and which conforms more to their method of criticism However I have to be blunt to this extreme. If you have never read the Quran and read the Authentic Hadith "Sahih Al-Bukhari and Muslim" for your self then you are remote from understanding islam in its true perspective in a non bias and non dictatorial view. |
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