Quran and Bible debateKoran confirms Jesus Crucifixion...And that was the whole idea. When the Sanhedrin made their conviction (on whom ever it was) it was final to see if he was sent from G-D or not, whereas if he was sent by G-D He would save him from such conviction under the law.
There was no new rationalization, they already applied their method of rational against him. If he was truely the messiah (according to the Jews) he would not have been crucified Again, you might not be aware of this, but his follwers were divided about him (as you should know) in which some of his followers also rejected his Crucifixion. "The enemies of the cross of Christ " Obviously not refering to the Jews who rejected Jesus and called him an imposted and mocked at him whom correctly are "The enemies of Christ {Jesus}" as they rejoiced in crucifying him whom they thought was Jesus. This is refering to those who rejected the crucifixion in which "The Cross" is the subject that represented the crucifix whom certain followers where against to be labeled as the enemies of "The Cross" rather than " The enemies of Christ. And of course Paul goes on assualting them about their arrogance in verse 19. So no I did not "uphold one above the other, simply because one rejects my own argument", you are making such statement cause you lack in the knowledge of the Christian sects that existed during Jesus's time and their beliefs about him that were contrary to modern Christian beliefs. Maybe you misunderstood me and maybe you need to paymore attention to what I post. The historical acts of Jesus contradicted the Jewish perspective, concept and purpose of the Messiah. This established their doubts about him. The alleged crucifixion gave confirmation to their doubts that he was an imposter and to some who believed he was not crucified gave confirmation that he was indeed the Messiah, and then later another group known as the Pauline sect, mostly comprised of gentiles, gave way to his Pharasiac (Mystic) concept of the crucifixion that Justified for his crucifixion and his possition as Messiah. I believe you are speaking on the bases of ignorance of Jewish writings from that era. Have you ever read the Talmud ? I dont think you have to make such an eranious statement like you did. We will make thing a little bit simpler for you that having to spend years trying to consume all the writing of the Talmud. Here is a Christians finding in the Talmud about Jesus. These writings were written in Jesus' time and some just after. http://watch.pair.com/HRChrist.html Sect ? I do not belong to a sec. Thats Shiaism, use that concept with Shias not those who are not Shias. Would you like me to draw christian beliefs based on Catholics, or Mormons :roll: ? Geesh that tells me how much you all know about islam. Some of the views that you learnt are all mixed up with different islamic schools of thought called madzhabs, and you havent learnt to disctinguish each madzhab in its perspective. i am a Haneef Muslim just as Abraham was, this is what the Quran teaches for us to be. WHat muslims want to call them sleves, Sunni, Salafi, Sufi, Shia,etc that is between them and our Rabb. |
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