Christian/Muslim Threadsa must readSo do you go by man-made laws instead of divine laws when you find divine laws? On what do you base justice if not on God? It's not, but the punishment for the sin of adultery, upon the testimony of four witnesses to the sexual act, is stoning. But God will judge everyone anyway. In this particular instance, He has deemed that adultery is so abominable, that when committed so heedlessly and shamelessly and overtly that four witnesses could see it, it is punished by death. Also, in the news there was a man who killed another man "and ate a body part" because the other man had consented to it. God will judge them both anyway but that man committed murder. See when you start deciding what is and isn't worthy of a divine law, you end up saying that you are a better judge than God. If God reveals a punishment for a certain act, then this should be your guage to how abominable the act is: Whoso judgeth not by that which God hath revealed: such are disbelievers. (Qur'an 5:44) Do they then seek after a judgment of (the days of) ignorance? But who, for a people whose faith is assured, can give better judgment than God? (Qur'an 5:50) What the Messengers and Prophets say by the Leave of God is NEVER wrong. I would never say that any of the Prophets were wrong. They were each sent with a Message for a time and place or peoples. Moses (pbuh) would think that "he was wrong" when Jesus (pbuh) arrived, no believer should think that way because they all acted in accordance with God's will. But I don't see there being any conflict. Only God makes revelation and laws, so it's not for a creation to ever decide "well I liked Moses' laws better so I will stick with those even though Jesus (pbuh) is saying differently". It's these types of arguments that were used to deny the Messiah: "well his laws are different, so they must be wrong" I don't use the phrase "improved upon" I say perfected. And when the messages come from God, there can be no conflict, each was for a time and place. No, but it means that the man-made isn't the source of the divine, the man-made happened to coincide with the divine but didn't precede it. For example, when "Thou shalt not kill" was revealed to Moses, you can't have some Egyptian walk up and say "well I already thought of that, I already thought that Murder was wrong, therefore that is not a divine law, I made it up." No, it is a divine law and divinity preceded the human judgement, even when they coincide. Murder was wrong since Cain and Abel even, way before it was revealed to Moses for example. True But so does working hard at your job. And God loves His toiling creations. See, everything you do for the sake of God is a form of worship. That doesn't mean it can be replaced by the revealed rites of worship, but it also means that you have to obey God by sustaining yourself, by procreating, by doing everything that God has commanded mankind to do as people. I don't know about that, I believe that the Prophets and Messengers were benchmarks for the ideal person, and we should strive to emulate them. Some people say "well I'm going to worship even more than the Prophets and never sleep" or "I'm going to fast till I die from it". But how do they know this is what God Wills? God wants you to worship Him in the way He has revealed to you, not in one's own invention of what pleases God more. Some people want to castrate themselves to prove that they won't let anything stand in their way between God, but is this what God wants? Balancing life with prayer, sustaining yourself, these are all integral forms of worship. We need scholars as well as doctors. Is the person who prays and works hard and gets married any less than the man that devotes his entire life to worship but doesn't raise a family and has to later beg for sustenance? There are exceptions for the Prophets and Messengers, they HAD to work much harder than the ordinary person, but I believe people need to do exactly what God says is a perfect life. For example, how do you know how God ranks certain acts of worship? How do you know that being married and being chaste, raising devout kids and feeding your family and doing some missionary work as well is worth less in the sight of God than devoting your whole life to Missionary work but being celibate? Well that's the choice one makes in faith. But make sure you make a choice based absolutely on facts, otherwise the people who misled you won't stand beside you on the day of judgment to share your personal accountability for believing them blindly. {Seest thou such a one as taketh for his god his own passion (or impulse)?} (25:43). It's likened to someone who interprets the Scripture, not to find out what God has deemed right or wrong, but to justify what they ALREADY THINK is right or wrong. Very dangerous forms of arrogance. Allah means God, bro. I mean I'm sure you saw Passion of the Christ, Jesus spoke in Aramaic he didn't say the word "God". Sometimes he says "Elahi Elahi!" which is the same as Arabic "my Lord, my Lord!". So don't let the foreigness of language stand in your way. Jesus never spoke in English, he spoke Aramaic. Would you not harken to his message since he was speaking in a foreign tongue? Not everyone in the world spoke Aramaic at the time. Bro, the "pagan stories" are not IN my faith. It's like the example I gave above of the Egyptian and Moses. Any man can claim they thought of something before God, that doesn't mean that the Divine, when it is revealed, came from man. God is Truth. Everything he reveals to mankind is Truth, and God does not change. So just because you found a bridge in one faith and a bridge somewhere else, doesn't mean that it is not Truth and that it did not come from God. There were countless prophets that were sent to mankind, can you be so sure that where you find similarities in faith that it wasn't because some of the Prophets had relayed the same Message and it was preserved, and that's where the similarity lies. A lot of people likened pagan faiths, even Zoroastrianism to Judaism. Can you imagine one of Moses' followers saying "no way, this faith has some similarities with that other false faith, I'm rejecting God's Message entirely". God never says that a Messenger would not come after the Messiah, should we stick with exactly what God has said? Yes it has, here's some more info on it. But what were the ages of the other women? You claim it was lust but was there ever an indication of beauty? Most importantly, in a pagan society as was Arabia, where marriages were indefinite and not regulated and one could basically have whom he willed, why would you claim that someone used religion to legitimately marry more than one woman for his own gain-the wives of fallen men, older women, the youngest of whom was Aisha who is undoubtedly the best in transmitting the Prophetic tradition among the other wives because she was young and outlived the others and could transmit the tradition with better memory for years longer than anyone. That's the wisdom behind her youth, and the critical fact that she happened to be the last wife. http://www.understanding-islam.com/rela ... on&qid=375 http://www.understanding-islam.com/ri/mi-032.htm http://www.understanding-islam.com/ri/mi-004.htm http://www.understanding-islam.com/ri/mi-005.htm http://www.understanding-islam.com/ri/mi-006.htm Peace bro Peace bro |
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